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Post by Satura - Allexia on Jul 24, 2006 23:35:23 GMT
DKP - Dragon Kill Points
Its a 'off game' currency you can use to bid on items (that drop). If you are the highest bidder you gets the items for generaly the amount you bidded on, but it varies on system used. different systems excist.
Satura's DKP system, idea You get points for various things consering raiding. example.
GETTING DKP Attending on time: 5pts Participating: 5pts boss down: 3-10pts (depending on boss)
Points collected carry on on the character.
BIDDING You want an items, you wisper your bid on the item to the raidleader/masterlooter. He then gives the the item to the highest bidder for the second highest bidder bid +1 ( though the cost may vary)
Example bids: 70, 64, 42, 30 The person who bidded 70 dkp on the item would get it for 64+1=65 dkp.
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Post by Ascension on Jul 24, 2006 23:48:12 GMT
Wow that last sentence confused the hell out of me for a minute at least If/when we use the dkp system, please use this nice web interface from: www.eqdkp.com
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Post by Qube on Jul 25, 2006 19:07:14 GMT
well that clears it up ;) thnx
who keeps track of the points then over several instances? surly not down to the individual (too open to cheating?), and can you see, or at least find out (i suppose you can track other people yourself) someone elses' points?
just curious as it'd be nice to know how much some1 else has so you can bid more :d
also weird that you would bid a high amount and get the item for the second highest bid? if i save up (theoretically) thousands of points, could i then bid all that i have, and win everything at a (relativly) low price as every1 bids low?
prolly stupid questions, but this is my first high lvl char =) (in any /standard/ mmo i play eve too;)
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Post by Ascension on Jul 26, 2006 1:19:05 GMT
also weird that you would bid a high amount and get the item for the second highest bid? if i save up (theoretically) thousands of points, could i then bid all that i have, and win everything at a (relativly) low price as every1 bids low? That's risky... person A and person B want the same item, aswell as say 7 people in the raid. person A and person B both have alot of DKP and both bid high, person A wins but at a high price cos person B bid high aswell... example, most bids were around 40-60 DKP for the item, person A bid 175 and person B bid 155, person A gets the item for 156DKP... much higher than most others bid. Person A now feels like an idiot for bidding so high and has nearly 0 left, next raid a better item drops and Person B ends up winning and then lol's at person A for getting a better item for cheaper :P edit: IMO when bidding there should be 2 rounds, first round should gather everyones bids and then the person sorting out bids says the highest bid. This way you'd see how much the item is worth really, and if someone bids very high you could at least try to beat it if you wanted the item. Also, to try and beat against someone bidding redicliously high on the second round and getting it cheap, I say that it should be the number inbetween the highest and second highest... So if highest bids 150 for an item on 2nd round, second highest bids 96 he would get the item for 128 DKP. And in a case of the need to round the number to the nearest digit (so no 'something.5') round it down (or up.. but down is kinder) and stick to that on every roll.
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Post by xyko on Jul 26, 2006 5:26:16 GMT
joims is on drugs!! i'd recommend a zero-dkp system where you accumulate dkp and then if you want an item you can buy it and it reduces your dkp to 0 so that gear is spread evenly and gives other people to get gear but still rewards time spent in to gear gotten back In my opinion this sounds like the best system. Very simple and very fair. Those who raids most still gets most items, and those who havent raided much also got a chance of getting something. And i belive little irritation would occur among members, since u know what u get when u use ur points, and u know who´s in line after u used them, and when its ur time to be top dog again. My m8s guild changed from a bidding system to this "Zero-dkp" version, and he got only good things to say about it.
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Post by Gigus on Jul 27, 2006 10:50:49 GMT
In my opinion this sounds like the best system. Very simple and very fair. Those who raids most still gets most items, and those who havent raided much also got a chance of getting something. And i belive little irritation would occur among members, since u know what u get when u use ur points, and u know who´s in line after u used them, and when its ur time to be top dog again. My m8s guild changed from a bidding system to this "Zero-dkp" version, and he got only good things to say about it. I don't agree with this system at all, it only means that the people working hard and attending most of the raids just get screwed out of items they need. For example, the most active warrior should be getting the most gear, as they are the ones tanking on a regular basis. If two pieces of might drop, and this tank has say 100 dkp, and every other tank has 30. He can outbid the others on both these items. The other tanks that are not as active can wait til they drop the next time. It doesnt make sense that people raiding once every two weeks should be able to get items instead of the regualr players.
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Post by Gigus on Jul 27, 2006 10:53:47 GMT
I copied and pasted this from a big guilds website.
Though this system is not perfect, it is far better than the stupid zero dkp system.
Event Points (EP aka DKP) and how we calculate them:
Timebonus (attendency bonus): 1 point per hour.
BWL runs: add 2 points per hour (2 points an hour and 1 point an hour for time bonus).
MC core runs : add 1 point per hour (1 point an hour and 1 more point an hour for time bonus).
LEAVING BEFORE TIME: If you join at raid at start and inform raid leader that you have to leave before raid ends (and when you have to leave) and are still accepted to the raid, you will get the time bonus for the hours you stay with us.
JOINING AFTER RAID START: If you join after the raid has started you will not get any time bonus, but will get points for boss kills and other bonuses we may have.
PENALTY: If you leave before the raid ends you will receive a -3 points penalty, and forfeit all the points you have earned on that run NO MATTER THE REASON. If you get disconnected and cant reconnect, stay in TS if you keep trying to reconnect, as long as you are not kicked from the raid you wont get the -3 points. You MUST be able to inform us!
REPLACEMENT: If you have to leave and find a replacement you will not get the -3 points, if the raid leader accepts the replacement. On top of that the replacer will get all the points that you would have gotten.
Molten Core Luci 1 point Magmadar 1 point Gehennas 1 point Garr 1 point Geddon 1 point Shazzrah 1 point Sulfuron 1 point Golemagg 1 point Majordomo 2 points Ragnaros 5 points
Zul'Gurub Bat 1 points Snake 1 points Spider 1 point Bloodlord 1 point Tiger 1 point Panther 1 point Fish boss 1 point Summoned boss 2 points Hakkar 4 points Hexxer 5 points
AQ20 Kurinnaxx 1 points General Rajaxx 2 points Moam 2 points Buru 3 points Ayamiss 10 points Ossirian 10 points
Onyxia 3 points
BWL All new bosses in BWL 20 points each first time, and 10 points after, until we have them under control.
Invites: Invites starts 10 minutes before raid time, Invites will last till 10 mins past raid time eg 17:50 to 18:10, after this point it is too late to get the time bonus.
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Post by Endy on Jul 27, 2006 11:24:17 GMT
The bit about leaving the raid is a bit harsh imo, usually most guilds give out points to ppl who finish when raid leader calls it a night for the raid, a kinda well done the raid is over have a cookie bonus.
Immo it should work like follows
20 man instance NO DKP at all just ML as we have been doing. (as 20 man instance can be done more often, ppl shouldnt be allowed to gain dkp which they can spend in 40 man instance.)
40 Man instance
1 dkp per hour. 2 dkp for showing up on time 15 mins either side o invite time 5 dkp for first time boss kill (first boss kill always take more time, more attempts,more cash on repairs) 3 dkp for any boss kill after first boss kill 2 dkp for end of raid
In terms of bidding silent bidding sounds fine, ppl whisper ML say there bid and highest wins, (dont know about the second highest +1 idea)
But thats just a idea
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Post by Satura - Allexia on Jul 27, 2006 11:40:59 GMT
We should base the penaly for leaving early, on the reason for the leave. Some things you really have to leave for. Like when your water systems break and your house is flooding like Wermund had a few weeks back.
Concerning Invites, I like the 30min before raid time and we should keep that. Gives ppl some time to fetch reagents and repair.
Obviously some bosses are worth more DKP then other so I would favor the suggested point rewards gigus posted.
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