a fair few issues

[Endy]

K from raid today and todays issues:

Big one, The gearing up of members, This came because rump was basically a little greedy and if he had passed on the epic robes that dropped would have made everyone life a little easy.

Basically he had the mage epic that u get from tailoring and won the vestments of shifting sands, Now i nearly said there and then that he can win that item as the standerd of his chest was alot better that at least 2 of our other mages eg eternia and wai, both members i would have wished the epic to go to, they have rubbish chest tbh and would have benifited so much more than rump. The reason i didnt stop him from winning the item was we have never had that rule in place so it would look like favourtism from me.

I think we need to state on the forum, If officer think a player will benifit a great deal from the upgrade of armor the item can only be rolled on by that player/players decided on by the officers (or words to that effect)

Basically i cant stand the fact rump got that item he didnt truly need it it was just greed over guild need which immo we need to stop and fast!

Member issues: With the loss of the guys from the league i really think we are short class wise now, our paladin situation was a bit better tonight the addition of nat to our raids is a god send, but we are now lacking priests having only 4 that raid 1 which is a druids alt and 1 that i have never even seen online much. our lock situaution is better with 4 active ones at 60 and bally at 59, druids we really are short on 1 more who is willing to heal is really needed,
Shayd is gonna be bascially a rogue in the form of a cat it would seem no problem with that but leaves us healing druids short.
Mages are getting better but darkare and rump arent the best really getting another good one would be brillaint, oh and waiwai said after todays ZG raid he would be staying away from raiding with us (i think i might be able to change that). Maybe i new rogue? zaltan has been afk for nearly 1 month now and lorth is never online either.

Officers/class leaders: k why do we have both of these? they both seem to be doing the same roll? I think we need to get class leaders, and i mean take the officers that we have and make them the only ones for that class they can be responsible for making in MC /join Arisenpriests so ppl dont spam the raid with priests questions and so on. This usually happens for most good raiding guilds and i think it is something we should have in place.

Last but not least? Raiding days when how what?

atm we are raiding on
Monday 7igt for invites
thursdays 7igt for invites
Sunday 2igt for invites

Are these times working do u think we can get 40 ppl online at all those times? i mean ZG is great but i think we should be focused on MC progression for a while untill our tanks are geared better.

Wall of text crits u for 7k flame dmg

Im done!

[Culski]

I said in officers earlier that since there is no rule in place it would indeed be favouritism.

Get wai to understand this and that in future more attention will be paid to these things.

No druid should get to opt out of healing if we need them tbh, tanks don't get to shy away from tanking when we need it?

Otherwise that means me and hawk are going to pick up the slack from druids who either can't play (like agii) or only want to do one thing and then neither of us really gets to play the way we want or collect the gear to do so. If I go resto I'd get hell for doing so and wanting feral loot, even tho I'll pass on t1 druid leather until others have it first.

On the plus side I've seen the druid improvements in the 1.12 test server patch notes, if the changes go live that's a plus for feral druids in general (less threat in cat, ferocious bite gets an AP bonus and a rank 5 book for it drops in ubrs), one reason druids don't accelerate like rogues on dps is the need to hold back to avoid killing themselves, white dmg s00ks.

I agree that we should have class leaders and it should be rolled into one role.

Really wish I could attend more atm but my daughters here now and the past two weeks I've been shattered from work :/

The days look fine btw

[Raine]

Hey Endy, I heard ZG went well, but yeah we do surprisingly seem to be losing memebers desptie our raiding status now.

Myself and Wai in particualar was dissapointed at Rump for rolling on the epic robes. While it was fusrating to watch Rump virtually swap robes for looks rather than stats as it wasn't what you could call an upgrade I think even as officers we can't decide who can roll and who can't but it should be up to the player to pass. If they are decent person they would generally do such a thing, while rump may not be a bad person I think it was very greedy of him to roll consider my robe is a level 39 blue and waiwai's is some green crap. I'm not just saying this becuase it's effecting myself and the mage class if it had happened to someone else I would feel just the same. It's also most annoying as Rump barely every raids and has come in today and won an epic.. but enough about that.

Your raiding times look spot on to be honest, but yeah we need to recruit some more people for MC.

[Culski]

raine said:

Hey Endy, I heard ZG went well, but yeah we do surprisingly seem to be losing memebers desptie our raiding status now.

Myself and Wai in particualar was dissapointed at Rump for rolling on the epic robes. While it was fusrating to watch Rump virtually swap robes for looks rather than stats as it wasn't what you could call an upgrade I think even as officers we can't decide who can roll and who can't but it should be up to the player to pass. If they are decent person they would generally do such a thing, while rump may not be a bad person I think it was very greedy of him to roll consider my robe is a level 39 blue and waiwai's is some green crap. I'm not just saying this becuase it's effecting myself and the mage class if it had happened to someone else I would feel just the same. It's also most annoying as Rump barely every raids and has come in today and won an epic.. but enough about that.

Your raiding times look spot on to be honest, but yeah we need to recruit some more people for MC.

To keep things in perspective consider eldar winning robe of everlasting night by comparison, much better than wais' robe and yours, yet no hard feelings.

When she asked if she could roll neither of you could really say no or explain what an upgrade it would be.

[Raine]

There's quite a difference though, That robe was a nice upgrade for Eldar, whereas the robe that dropped in AQ has a far lower drop rate and basically didn't change any stats for rump.

[Endy]

I really think we should say somewhere that officer can say at least for 20 man loot (none dkp items) This person would get more out of it that you it would be a huge upgrade for them whilst the equipment that you have would almost be the same.

[Raine]

Thank god we got the waiwai situation sorted eh Endy

*passes out on floor covered in own vomit with one hand clasping a bottle of tequilla*

[Lightreaver]

waiwai situation?

[Raine]

Oh man. long story.. and complicated too

Basically Wai was pissed off with the whole rump thing and was thinking of quitting but Endy explained about how we are new to raiding and there is going to be mistakes and how class leaders will prevent what happened happening again etc. He saw sense in the end, think he was just blinded by rage for a while.

[Lightreaver]

understandable, both rump and raura didn't deservet hose epics opposed to people who worked for them. Some people are so selfish -.-

[Shortbread]

Like I said the other day this can be likened to an injury in a footy match, the opposition throw it out to sort out the injury but when play continues they don't throw it back to the oppositions keeper.

It's more kind than it is a rule, there's officially nothing stopping someone from rolling for something which they can use (but find little improvement or none at all), but its just 'sportsmanship' to let someone who need it more, have it.

[Endy]

I think we kinda sorted that with the class leaders, one of there duities is to inform the raid leader/ ML if a person would ne hardly benifiting from the upgrade of in rumps case epic to epic, and with this basically we could ask the player (rump in this case) to look at his fellow guildies equip and say it would help the guild if u would pass rump.

[Lightreaver]

yeah totally agree with endy. Btw your doing a great job, i know me and una aren't being to active but everything is going smooth ^^. Keep up the good work

[Endy]

lol, can i ask can we remove class leader as a rank? just because atm i want ppl from all over the guild ie in rank to be class leaders,

Also satty i was thinking of you for paladin class leader if your ok with that responisblity?

And Must if u want druid leader thats fine, its either you or hawk, depending on how you feel about it?

Last 2 slots are rogue class leader and warlock class leader? any idea who? imo truset and ioana but thats just me.

[Culski]

I'm happy to be druid class leader, think I can work with hawk to get some things sorted too.