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Post by Endy on Jul 31, 2006 23:10:07 GMT
Heavy Edit!
As we have said we will be using a dkp system for the up coming MC run and on all 40 man raids from then on. The way points will be earnt is as follows:
1 DKP for every hour in raid. 2 DKP for arriving to raid on time thats 15 mins b4 start. 5 DKP per boss kill 5 DKP Bonus for first boss kill (10 points for first time kill total) 2 DKP for being there at end of raid (when raid leader calls it a night)
Bidding for items:
Bidding will be done as follows loot is linked 1 at a time by ML, People will then be told who is allowed to bid on the item (only really affects wep/ring/neck/trinkets as rest are usually set items) then the people who wish to bid hold a auction using /y this is so the spam in raid can be kept to a minimum. Highest bidder wins, if 2 ppl bid same amount (all there dkp which is equal some how) then the top bidders roll and highest roll wins costing the amount of dkp bid. Bids are in multiples of 5 dkp only and 10 dkp is start value.
ATM we have EQDKP set up (as i right this post it is up) but as officers are 100% with it yet, EQDKP is up and we are using it to keep track of raids HOWEVER, officer arent 100% with it by along shot infact could use some help with how to update properly, atm we are just adjusting evereyones DKP, so if anyone has used/knows how to work a eqdkp site please let me know.
Who can spend there DKP on what items:
As we start raiding we will be allowing items to be rolled on at first by ppl with that main roll, ie Druids wont be allowed at first to roll on dmg/agility gear Paladins not allowed to roll on tanking/dps gear. This is because at first we will need to gear the ppl who are doing these rolls as there main build first, so to help the whole raid ie tanks getting +def gear will help so much more than a paladin getting it. But with time we will be using common sense and allowing more multi role looting, ofc we understand ppl wanta play there character as they wish to, but to start with lets try and gear ppl well so we can try to progess faster in the instance.
Think thats it thanks for reading!
Any issues with this please contact any officer
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Post by Ascension on Jul 31, 2006 23:52:15 GMT
Will there be a certain person set as the 'main tank' thoughout raids who gets all tanking gear? What I mean is is that if a very good tanking ring drops or something, would it go via DKP or to the guilds main tank? Of course the guilds main tank wouldnt be able to bid on non-tanking gear as this would make it unfair on other warriors. This would only happen until we have killed a boss a few times (on farm) or the MT already has the item or better, then it would be given via DKP ofc.
Reason to why im mentioning something like this: Instead of all our warriors fighting for +def gear and using all their dkp on them (thus all our warriors defence going up slowly, so progress through MC will be slower) we have 1 dedicated 'guild main tank' who gets the +def gear when they drop so we are able to progress though MC much much faster and the earlier bosses become on farm status easier/earlier, so we get much more loot overall.
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Post by Gigus on Aug 1, 2006 12:50:25 GMT
Invisible bidding doesn't sound all too good, I liked seeing people shout their bids in /raid.
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Post by Natsuki on Aug 1, 2006 13:43:03 GMT
Invisible bidding doesn't sound all too good, I liked seeing people shout their bids in /raid. /agree
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Post by Lightreaver on Aug 1, 2006 15:11:38 GMT
Gig/Nat - Silent bidding means less competition and overall works very well and allows raids to procced faster. You just have to make sure that when you bid, you bid a certain amount as other people could roll higher or lower.
It all depends on the amount you want to bid, not how much your going to out bid someone. So if you want an item bad, be prepared to out bid your fellow guildies.
Ascen - we have discussed this and for now, i doubt it will be happening in the first few raids, but maybe once we have 3 or 4 bosses on farm then we can kit up the tanks more.
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Post by Gigus on Aug 1, 2006 18:17:17 GMT
So if you want an item bad, be prepared to out bid your fellow guildies. That's just the thing, we can't outbid them if we don't know their bid lol
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Post by Eleryn on Aug 1, 2006 20:04:01 GMT
Well, there is another alternate if we are using higher DKP rates. Ppl whisper the raid leader how much DKP they wanna spend... And the rest is like this: For example X wants to spend 12000 DKPs, Y wants to spend 16000 DKPs. Then they both roll. X rolls from 6000-12000, Y rolls from 8000-16000. And the winner gets the item. Some kind of random in this. Only works if we're using bigger numbers. ARES uses this kind of DKP roll, worked well there. It's just an ide, i posted it cause it brings some more excitement to the game, and a bit of luck too:)
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Post by Endy on Aug 1, 2006 21:10:52 GMT
I think the problem with this system for officer is that larger numbers can get really confusing when coming to updating the EQDKP, we have kept the numbers down because its so much more simple in terms of maths and such, i know that aint the best reason for something, but i should keep it simple.
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Post by xyko on Aug 2, 2006 8:49:35 GMT
Yeah and u dont want to be dependant on luck either.
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Post by Gigus on Aug 2, 2006 9:39:17 GMT
Yeah and u dont want to be dependant on luck either. /agree
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Post by push on Aug 2, 2006 12:45:04 GMT
I vote for open bids in raidchat. i think most of ppl know how much dkp they have and can easily bid vs eachother in raidchat. I think with ML-wispers will classes start wispering eachother instead and ask how much they gonna spend etc. I also think that ppl will start asking how much the winner bidded and so on. most eq are class or char binded anyway, so i think we save alot of time and misunderstandings by having a fast and open bid in chat. going 3...2...1... gz Push!
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Post by Ascension on Aug 2, 2006 13:30:58 GMT
I vote for open bids in raidchat. i think most of ppl know how much dkp they have and can easily bid vs eachother in raidchat. I think with ML-wispers will classes start wispering eachother instead and ask how much they gonna spend etc. I also think that ppl will start asking how much the winner bidded and so on. most eq are class or char binded anyway, so i think we save alot of time and misunderstandings by having a fast and open bid in chat. going 3...2...1... gz Push! And that open bidding gives you a better chance of actually getting the item. Bidding via /w on an item I really want would come down to: 1) How much DKP I curently have (obviously) 2) How much the item is actually worth to you and others 3) How much i'd actually have to bid higher than what it's worth so there's a better chance to get it* *With /w bidding you have no idea what other people think what the item is worth and actually how much they would bid on it, it its partially a luck factor to win an item via /w becuase of number 2. So bascically on a popular item, since you don't know what others bid, you are basically forced to bid redicliously high in order to get it - there's no second chance or anything. Not that fair imo.. I agree with Push on the open bids in raidchat. I recommend having a macro or something with *bidding starts NOW!* and something like 30secs to 1 minute later another macro with *bidding has ended* and the person who said the highest number wins. Basically during the bidding time people will be spamming numbers (bids will be going up, people drop out when it gets quite high, until your left with 1 person or the last person to bid before the end macro). you get more than 1 attempt so it's like an auction! which is much fairer imo. And you dont have to bid redliously high to win in the first place and take your chances, you only bid high on this if others are still trying to outbid you
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Post by Sphire on Aug 2, 2006 14:17:50 GMT
Raid chat bid ftw!
In my old guild we had open bid system and it worked out perfect and still does.
Short explained how we did it:
1) Everyone should know their current DKP at the arrival to the raid
2) Minimum bid on all items lets say "10 DKP" for epic and a minimun raise on a item like "5 DKP" or even more, that depends on what we earn on a raid. We could also have ML so no one "accidently" ninja :> (We had FFA loot but at the start like this ML is the way to go imo.)
3) This works very good and everyone can see what I bid on the item I want! Just make a rule that after our kill and everyone /cheer we all must STFU when the ML link a item so we dont have any spam i /raid
This is the way to go imo, /w bids takes longer and ML needs alot of trust from all guild members.
It will look like this:
[RaidLeader]<Endy> [EPIC SPARKLING ITAM!!!11] Druids Bid! [Raid]<Sphire> 10 DKP [Raid]<Another DrOoD> hmm.. 25 DKP!! [Raid]<Sphire> Im out then =/ [RaidLeader]<Endy> [EPIC SPARKLING ITAM!!!11] Goes to "Another DrOoD" for 25 DKP [RaidLeader]<Endy> 1 [RaidLeader]<Endy> 2 [RaidLeader]<Endy> 3 [RaidLeader]<Endy> Sold! GZ "Another DrOoD"
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Post by Gigus on Aug 2, 2006 17:15:22 GMT
The last few posts is the way to go, raid bidding ftw.
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Post by xyko on Aug 2, 2006 19:19:42 GMT
yeah open bidding sounds great.
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